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Post by zen9 on Oct 1, 2016 20:33:21 GMT
It is increasingly the case that Russia is returning to being a serious threat to Europe.
The Question is how to handle this threat....?
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Post by Graylion on Oct 3, 2016 10:38:18 GMT
with the one thing the UK is dead set to stop from happening - an EU army. We need to start wasting money again on rearming. And yes it is wasted money since it is not productive at all. But sadly we need to do it. Especially with Trump having a goodly chance at winning and Putin pulling his strings. Worth reading: medium.com/@theonlytoby/history-tells-us-what-will-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.h1e31w30y I think this is our likely path. So we have to assume war is coming. We'll need a joint EU deterrent based on the French one. We'll need integrated armed forces with joint equipment. And we need coherent diplomacy. |
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Post by zen9 on Oct 4, 2016 9:37:04 GMT
You need a state called the EU for that, ideally a federal setup. The EU 'as is' is not that, nor is it necessarily going to become that.
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Post by Graylion on Oct 4, 2016 22:52:22 GMT
I wonder. I really do. In classic political ideas I agree. OTOP the EU has pulled off a few impossiblities before, even if badly. See the Euro.
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Post by zen9 on Oct 6, 2016 10:22:00 GMT
Well do you really think the Euro is that good for collective economics of the EU?
It's set up has created the issues now so troubling the likes of Greece, and in fact a lot of the Mediterranean states.
I'm not sure that's a good example, especially to apply to defence.
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